In article >,
Eva Durant > writes:
Gotthard writes :
>> I suspect the province is very far from the Caucasian mountains, much
>> closer to the Altaj chain. The province - if I am right - is called
>> Xiangjing. It is the North-Eastern province of China, bordering
>
>Hey, you 've read the same article!

Yeapp,
except I could not remember the province name right - Xinjiang. And while I
corrected South to North, I forgot to correct East to West .
Well, hopefully did no harm.
Cheers!

Jozef Simek  > wrote:

>I appologize I write this to Hungarian e-mail list but someone
>of you wrote about Southern Slovakia (Someone talks 'UPPER LAND')
>in time of WWII and I read very interesting book about it.
>Lorant Tilkovszky - Magyar historician from Budapest wrote:
>Juzne Slovensko v rokoch 1938-45 / Southern Slovakia in 1938-1945,
>Vydavatelstvo SAV, Bratislava, SAV 1972.
>I tried to translate 4th chapter of that to English and my friend
>corrected my gramatical mistakes.  And this is the beginning of it.

No need to apologize, Jozef; anybody is free to write to the list,
especially if it is related to Hungary somehow.

What's the problem calling "Upper Lands" ("Felvidek", in Hungarian) what
is also called Slovakia today?  The former terminology is used usually
in context of greater Hungary when talking about the pre-WW II times, or
the 1938-45 period when most or parts of today's Slovakia belonged to the
Hungarian Kingdom.  Then it was the normal Hungarian designation of
Hungary in Hungarian while "Slovensko" meant the same thing in Slovak.
So what's the big deal?  Do you call the capital of Austria "Wien" in
Slovak?

Now about this Tilkovszky fella' ...
Could you tell us some details about him?  Is he a known historian or is
he also some engineer or mathematician?  I know, his name sounds kinda'
magyarized Slovak, but that means nothing really.

Regardless, you deserve a praise for the tremendous amount of effort you
put into translating it, considering the command of English you have
shown on the Slovak list.  If you did not say you did it, I would have
sworn that it was Tony's handywork.

So thanks again, Jozo, and I'm sure that most Hungarians are now duly
ashamed after reading your post.

Another Jozo,
better known here as
Joe

Paul writes:

> have entered europe (895 AD).  Also, they look similar to Europeans, for
which I
>  have
> not yet heard an explanation (why would the people from Zhan Jing have
facial
>  features
> not sinilar to other Chinese?).

This is the area which used to be called Sinkiang and it is heavily
populated by Uygurs who are not Chinese looking, (naturally there is
Chinese inroad into the area). I have written about travels to the area and
the similarity of some words to Hungarian. It is the region where the
Chinese conducted their nuclear weapon tests and they do have some problems
in the region for several reasons. One of the leaders of the last student
uprising in Beijing is from Sinkiang. Just for this Christmas, I have
received from some friends there embroidered table covers which many of my
Hungarian friends swear are from Hungary, but they are wrong. They also
make paprikash the old way (without paprika but with pepper) and it is very
good. If everything goes according to plans I will be visiting the region
again this year. BTW, there are several million Uygurs there not several
thousand. It is also the region where the Chinese are finding culture older
than their own. (graves well preserved in the Takla makan desert indicating
tall non Chinese inhabitatnts with wheeled transport, etc.) The Mongols
used the Uygur method of writing for most of their official correspondance,
it seems to have been a lingua franca for a while. If I make it there again
this time, more later. Naturally, linguistically and particularly
grammatically the two languages are not as close as some others are to
Hungarian, but the similarities in folklore, etc., are interesting and are
a good case in point for the merging of the various groups during their
travel west. Even Porphyrogenitus talks about the Khabars teaching their
own language to the Turks (Hungarians) also and thus they becoming
bilingual. As I have said before there is more that we we do not know than
what we think we know.
Regards, Jeliko

Subject: Re: Horn and Bekesi
From: Eva Durant, 
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 09:13:34 +0000
In article > Eva Durant,
 writes:
> I am just curious on my own usual un-expert way, how this
> privatisation to happen? As you state, there is no Hungarian
> strata able to invest/buy companies however reasonable the price.
> So an optimal privatisation should mean  large, secure
> multinationals stepping in, as we don't want small adventurers
> neither. Which means that local or even national decisionmaking/
> democracy in economic questions are basicly the figment of
> imagination of politicians/voters.

it is interesting to note that there seems to be little
popular enthusiasm in hungary for foreign investment in
hungary.

"BUDAPEST, Hungary (Reuter) - Only one-third of Hungarians
think foreign investment in their country is a good thing,
according to a poll published Friday in a Budapest newspaper."

(this appeared within the last week.)

i wonder if popular opinion will have any real influence
on such decisions.

d.a.

can you please tell me how to cancel my subscription to Hungarian
Discussion List?  Thank you.

Charlie Pinter wrote:

>        First of all: I don't think it is the task of the correspondents of
>this journal to solve a specifically historical problem for which there are a
>good deal of specialists (historians, archeologists, linguists, etc.). In
>fact, there has been quite a few good books written about it although most of
>them in Hungarian. I am a history graduate but no specialist in this subject;
>nevertheless, let me comment on some of the things I read here.

I saw the article as a REPORT on a current trend of history research,
not an attempt by a journalist to solve any problem.
Are you saying that journalists should not report on such things?

As to the rest of your post, are you saying that the book on the origins
of Hungarians has been written and it is to be treated as a Bible,
regardless of new discoveries?

Joe